New stuff for 2011 from Alpacka!

I have done about ten runs now in the new boat and I love it!

The most striking thing is how much more comfortable it is. It seems that the new backrest and extra air behind make for a nicer sitting position. This could be just my body type/paddling position, but I would much rather take this new version on a long paddle.

The boat seems to ferry better and I find myself trying to take on harder water in it. Playing in the boat is more fun, no “bandersnatching” (I love that term because I teach the Jabberwocky) due to the extra flotation in the rear. Running the slalom course at redgate I did find it is not quite as nimble and doesn’t do 180’s as fast as the old design.

The newer inflation bag is great. I find inflating the boat takes almost half the time. I especially like the fact that the shorter poles now fit in my Revelate Designs handlebar bag for bikerafting. This probably isn’t a huge deal for most; however, I sure appreciate it.

The “burly” spraydeck is phenomenal! I was so sick of my previous spraydeck coming undone at bad times. Running splashy class III and IV drops with a partial deck was miserable. While this deck is a little harder to latch it is by far my favorite improvement.

I am so impressed with the old packraft design and am planning to buy a second one and am looking at the new design.

Question: On the Escalante, the old compact design of my Llama seemed perfect for doing repeated 360 degree turns to avoid the overhanging Russian olive branches. In many, many, many places the ‘deep’ water is under the overhanging branches, I go to the other side of the channel (6 feet away) , the boat grabs gently on the shallow rocks and turns me in a circle, while hugging the shallow untree-ed shore as I skate on by. I used the same rotating technique on many “rapids” there because the water is so shallow. I’m mostly going to be floating those kind of streams and I’m guessing it would be better to stick with the old design for the second packraft purchase, but have heard so much good about the new design I wanted an opinion.


Thanks!

Jodi

Jodi,
So far I have only been creeking in it. I am a heavier paddler (220lbs) and went with a Denali Llama again. I definitely sit more level in the water than I did with my old Llama. This is nice because I drag butt less in the shallows but the downside for me is that now I have so much more boat on the water that my 360 quick spins to clear branches and such is seriously hindered. I think I am having more issues with eddy fences for the same reason, (more tube on the water.) I am also trying to get used to the fact that I have another several inches of boat behind me to keep clear of obstacles. For me I think I could maneuver around the river better with my old design. Perhaps I just need to learn some new paddling skills.

Thanks - that’s exactly the info I was looking for.

On the bright side, maybe it will be easier to find a used old-style boat because people will will be upgrading.

Is there any way the older boats could have a retrofit of an extension of the stern as the newer boats do? Maybe with it’s own air valve?

I have finally spent enough time in my 2011 Alpacka Llama to provide a review of what I do and do not like about the new boats. For reference, I have been packrafting for about 10 years, am 6’2” and 180 lbs and 51 years old, and consider myself a Class IV boater on most days. I also have a 2007 Yak and a 2008 Llama, both decked and the latter is equipped with thigh straps as is my 2011 Llama. Most of my boating is in Alaska on creeks and rivers in the Class III-IV range, on roadside runs, minimalist overnighters, and longer trips up to 3 weeks. My favorite type of boating is on multi-day exploratory trips on remote creeks and rivers.

What I Like
Performance: The radically-redesigned 2011 boat perform very differently from the older models. The new boat is faster, carves and turns more precisely, punches through holes cleanly, cuts across eddy lines well and surfs waves nicely. You have more control of your line and your location on the river. On flat water the new boat is noticeably faster, and paddles easily, with seemingly less hull suck and drag. The new boat tracks nicely in a straight line with little of the “weather vaning” that is common in the older models, saving energy and arm strength over the course of a day of paddling.

Features: One of my favorite improvements is locating the mouth valve on the stern of the boat. No longer do I worry about accidently opening the valve as I get into the boat, which is a frequent problem on older models. Alpacka made this change in 2010 but this is my first boat with this feature and I like it.

The 2011 boat allows you to adjust the seat position with simple lacing holes. I moved my seat forward 4 holes (about 4”) to allow for a stronger paddling position and better fit of the thigh straps.

Alpacka seems to have resolved the problem of leaking seats, backrests and codpieces. So far I have not had to spend time fixing these items as was all too common in the past.

What I Don’t Like
Performance: The enhanced performance of the 2011 boat has a downside: this boat is less-forgiving and requires you to be a better boater. The aggressive hull design of the 2011 is significantly less stable than older models and is more prone to flipping when crossing eddylines, getting hit by lateral waves or unexpected boils.

The instability of the 2011 is made worse with a load on the front of the boat. I recently ran a remote Class IV river with a 15 lb load on the front of the boat and found myself tipping over repeatedly in places that I would normally bounce over in my older boats. I find that a pack on the front of my older boats makes them more stable. The 2011 sits lower in the water than the older models and is more prone to getting grabbed by water features like eddy lines, lateral waves and boils. The boat does well if you drive it with power straight into water features, but is very unforgiving if you take them sideways. You will dump faster than you can believe unless you have good braces and good technique.

Features: The single biggest problem with Alpacka boats is the spraydeck. Nearly every boater that I have ever paddled with complains about their spraydeck, and spends too much time on the river fiddling with the deck, trying to get it to close properly or stopping to dump water out of the boat. The Alpacka boats with spraydecks are a huge improvement over the original open boats, and clearly keep a lot of water out of the boat. But there is still a lot of room for improvement, and the ultra-dry deck on Roman Dial’s boat suggests that it is a solvable problem. We all want a simple, durable and reliable spraydeck that keeps most of the water out, and would love to see Alpacka focus on this issue.

The 2011 comes with a zippered spraydeck that can be removed, a nice feature if you are planning a tropical mid-winter getaway. But for Alaska’s cold rivers the zipper is a point of weakness with little benefit. The deck tore off my new boat when the fabric started to separate along the inflatable “codpiece” and then ripped all the way to the front of the boat along the zipper stiching. Alpacka replaced the deck, but it was the second time in a too-short season when my new boat was sidelined.

The Velcro closures on the 2011 boat remain inadequate, being too narrow and of seemingly poor quality, especially the loop side, which ends up fuzzy, frayed and curling within a matter of days. I replaced the Velcro on my Yak three years ago with wider and better-quality Velcro that has held up better than that found on my 2011 boat. If Alpacka used 2” or 3” of Velcro rather than 1.5” Velcro, the decks would be much tighter and keep water out more reliably.

The side closure along the torso is particularly problematic, as the fabric is too taut to seal properly. I have added a snap button to the top of the skirt to reduce the frequency of the seam popping open. Usually I am only able to get an inch of Velcro contact on the torso seam, which invariably pops open with any paddling or twisting.

The first problem that I encountered with my 2011 boat was a shredded floor on the second day of use. Alpacka has switched to a new floor fabric for 2011 because of a supply problem with the material used in older boats. Many of us were worried that this new fabric was not up to the abuse of Alaska packrafting. Alpacka determined that my floor was defective
and so far the floor of my replacement boat has held up well.

The 2011 comes with a single horseshoe seat and a small inflatable backrest. I find the backrest to be inadequate for comfortable back support and for holding up the back of the spraydeck. I stitched another horseshoe seat in as an additional backrest and to keep the spraydeck from sagging.
The torso of the 2011 spraydeck is too short to work well. Ideally the spraydeck would come up to the chest of a sitting boater. And if the spraydeck were pleated it would fit a wider variety of boaters and PFD’s.

Alpacka says that the central issue guiding spraydeck design is liability. I would argue that having water in the boat is its own liability, and that a boater with a drier boat can better focus on the challenges of the river. Stopping to dump the boat and fiddle with the deck is very distracting and consumes time and energy that should be devoted to the river.

Bottom Line
The 2011 Alpacka is a huge step forward in packraft design. Advanced boaters and kayakers will love the technical performance of this boat. After seeing these new boats, I have heard kayakers say things like “Hey, I would be willing to boat with a packrafter in one of those boats” and “Wow, you guys can really make those boats go where you want them to go.” Whatever.

While boaters with good bracing and paddling skills will get the most from the 2011 models, everybody will appreciate the speed and tracking of the new boats. On long stretches of flat water and for ocean paddling the new boats will save you time and energy.

The new boat design may be challenging for novice and intermediate boaters looking to get into more technical whitewater. Jim Gonski reports that students in his classes who have the 2011 boats tip over and swim far more often than owners of the older boats. More swims mean more lost boats, more lost gear and more chances for injury.

If you are thinking about trading in your old boat for a new one, you might think twice. If you are a good paddler with good bracing skills it is probably a smart move. But if your skills are not so solid, or if you plan to run whitewater with any kind of load, you might want to hang on to your old stable boat. I predict there will be a strong Craigslist market for these older boats, and they will become hard to find in the future. I would like to see Alpacka bring the older models back into their line of boats while keeping the 2011 model as their advanced whitewater boat.

Hi Brad,
thanks for the detailed report. I am still on my try out for a final conclusion. You make a good point for the older models. Last but not least are they lighter. There is a lot of gear geekish wanna have for the new stuff :wink: While I generly agree with your points, I found the “old” boat hard to come to its limits up to class IV. So , the pros and cons you make sound too radical to me. I will get back to this later with more runs in the new one. So far, the tracking I dont bother, puching waves I dont care, lateral “instability” is mere compared to kayaks and still very solid. But I do embrace the speed gain!! Much for whitewater purpose on ferrying, catching eddies and so on. The core technics of runing white water.

Anyways, how do you find smaller side tubes? I measured them and came to exactly 12 inches like previously. And sitings lower in the water? The seat tabs are actually the same position as ever, aren’t they?

Oh, and the deck. I totally agree on this one! We will have a break through in the paddling community with this problem solved.
There is only one solution I see and this is a “skirt on deck hatch” like kayaks have. Maybe we can have a European version, if liability proofs to be a problem overseas (less ridiulous here:) I make sure they will be reimported to you guys :wink: Last but not least, I never got used to the horseshoe seat. I opt for a flat, rippled one.

Sven